Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: We have Kyle Kuhn on today with us. Kyle, super excited to chat with you and very excited to meet you. Why don't you give us a sort of brief introduction to yourself?
[00:00:09] Speaker B: Yeah. Jordan, thanks for. Thanks for having me on. I'm super happy to be here. It's an honor and a pleasure. So, yeah, I mean, just the 30,000 foot view of me is that I actually lost my sight when I was six years old due to cancer. And, you know, you know, you can probably imagine as a, you know, six, seven year old kid, I wasn't too jazzed about that. So I went into, I guess you could call it a little bit of a depression. Just wasn't really sure how I was going to live life. And I was very fortunate that I was put in contact and put in touch with an older gentleman who was in his early thirties at the time, so. But he was a totally blind adventure athlete, and he kind of gave me a verbal slap upside the head and said, hey, just because you're blind doesn't mean you can't have a great life. So I want you to go rock climbing. And so I decided to take him at his word and went and just pursued every level of adventure sport that I could and eventually climbed my way up through getting into rock climbing, skiing, cycling, all kinds of just different adventure sports until I found my way into the sport of triathlon about ten years ago. And over the last ten years, pursued triathlon to its ultimate highest level. And for the past six or seven years, I've been competing at the world triathlon level and was fortunate enough to attend the 2020 and 2024 Paralympic Games as a member of Team USA, competing in triathlon. And so that kind of takes us to. Takes us to today, but, yeah, that's me in a basic little nutshell.
[00:01:57] Speaker A: You're a very young kid at that point.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: I was diagnosed with cancer when I was ten months old.
I went through five, six years of pretty intense treatment, and every time, um, the cancer seemed to go away, it came back stronger than ever. And eventually, just the. You know, the treatment just took its toll on. On my eyes. And so, like, my parents knew from a very early age that I was going to go blind. And they. And they told me that, like, they didn't hide it from me, you know, but it's still. It was that, you know, that. That thing where you hear, you know, one day you can. You can see, and then the next day you. You know, I mean, Grant, I couldn't see well, but the next day, yeah, I mean, I had no eyes, and it was. It was very scary. But again, you know, it's. It's all about connections, and I'm not gonna pretend to say that it, you know, everything went smoothly, and I had this, you know, brilliant, you know, smooth sailing life from, you know, from the time I was six years old to now I'm. What am I, 32, 33, something along those lines. I don't even remember how old I am these days. But, yeah, I've been able to take the encouragement and the connections from people that I've connected with over the years, and I've turned it into. I've turned a passion of adventure athletics into a career, and I've been able to climb the ranks and represent the USA on the highest sporting level that there is in the world. Which is pretty cool.
[00:03:35] Speaker A: Absolutely. That's phenomenal. What do you think that you've learned from this experience that you can share with guests in the audience who, you know, may go through something similar, may go through something different? Everyone has struggles and things that seem like they're gonna end everything and, you know, take away all of your choices. And it can be hard to appreciate sometimes that, you know, you don't have control over the circumstances all the time, but you do have control over the way that you react to them.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: At the end of the day, you have to do the best you can with what you have. Even though, you know, even though we may have. It may seem like we don't have choices, we always have a choice. Like, there. There always is a choice presented to us. You know, we can. You know, we can always choose to, you know, stay put, you know? You know, an oh, woe is me. We can. We can choose to move sideways left to right. We can choose to move forward. We can choose to move up. We can choose to move backward. There's all kinds of. There's always a choice for us, and it's just a matter of sitting down and honestly assessing what is it that I have and what is it that I can do and really finding and exploring your limitations and then seeing what you can do to push those limits outward and see if you can expand your limits. And so always just setting the bar a little bit higher, a little bit further out of reach than we think is possible. So I tell people all the time, I mean, it's really just figure out what the basics are and then do those to an extremely high standard on a consistent basis. So I have this little saying that I combined a little saying that my triathlon coach taught me with, you know, something that my dad always told me growing up, and that was, you know, keep it stupid simple. Do simple well, and do simple better. And so that's. That's basically what I did growing up, was, you know, I figured out, okay, like, let's. Let's. Let's just do, like, let's. Let's learn how to be a good little blind kid. Let's, you know, study and, you know, do well in school. Let's, you know, let's. Let's figure out how to. How to do this rock climbing thing, and, you know, then let's. Let's explore beyond that, and let's push the limits a little bit further. A little bit further, a little bit further. And eventually, you know, you get bored with that and you move on to the next thing. And so it's always about finding your limits and then trying to push them out a little bit further.
[00:06:08] Speaker A: I love that. I love that. That sort of focus on the simple things, like get the. Get the basics down, as well as continuously redefining and pushing yourself outside of your limits so that you can continue to get better.
[00:06:22] Speaker B: A lot of the times we overcomplicate things, you know, we tend to just overcomplicate things, and it's human nature.
I compete in a sport that involves swimming, biking, running.
There's tons of gear involved. There's all this theory about training philosophies and all that. But at the end of the day, you know, it comes down to who can swim, who can bike, who can run, you know, the fastest and get to the finish line the fastest, and whatever.
Whatever you got to do to make that happen, you know, it's all about just, you know, making sure that the simple things are done really, really well. And that was something that I learned very early on. You know, as a, you know, as a kid growing up, you know, who was totally blind. I didn't have to overcomplicate things. You know, just like in school, like if, you know, I learned that, hey, if I actually read my textbooks listed to my teachers, wrote down what my teachers were saying, and I studied that, and I committed all that stuff to memory and all that, well, guess what? I would do pretty well on exams and tests and all that. So it really was just a, you know, triathlon, you know, was just a continuation of building on what I. What I learned as a kid was just, you know, there's no need to overcomplicate things.
[00:07:49] Speaker A: Yeah, it sounds like an incredible amount of discipline. I know that, you know, I was involved in athletics in high school and college early on, and it just takes a whole another level of discipline and dedication to really become competitive. And, I mean, at the level that you're at, right, paralympic, right. I mean, that's sort of beyond really high level college athletics. And to sustain that level of discipline and dedication for years is pretty incredible.
[00:08:20] Speaker B: It's definitely portrayed sometimes as this very glamorous life. And I always tell people, if you want to a professional, olympic or paralympic level athlete, get ready for a life of boredom because that's really what it is. It's a lot of the same routine every day. It's getting up at the same time every day. It's going and executing your workouts. It's having very simple, bland, kind of boring meals and it's making sure that you're dotting all your I's and you're crossing all your t's and all that. And it's day in, day out for weeks, months and years. And all of that effort, it may only result in a handful of seconds or depending on your event, it may only result in milliseconds. I think it was. I can't remember. I think it was Usain Bolt that said, I work for years to shave off 100th of a second and people expect results, you know, much quicker than that. Like, it takes time. So exercising patience, as you know, as a olympic or paralympic level athlete, is a lesson you learn very quickly. You know, I can tell you that, you know, I am a significantly faster, stronger athlete than I was back when I competed in the Tokyo Paralympic Games, you know, back in 2021. But everyone else is also significantly faster, stronger, fitter.
And so that doesn't. You can put in the work, but sometimes the results don't come the way you want or expect. So you have to love and have a passion for what you're doing. And that's regardless of whether you're in elite sport or you're competing, you know, or you're just in an office job or if you're wanting to be a parent or anything along those lines, you've got to really enjoy the process of getting your goal or your finish line because, you know, if you. If you ever reach your goal or finish line, I would argue that you're not. You're not working hard enough, you're not pushing hard enough or you're not setting.
You're not setting goals that are really fulfilling.
I always feel that we need to always be in the hunt because at least to me, it's that chase, that pursuit that is so satisfying yeah, I absolutely agree.
[00:11:04] Speaker A: I think that the growth is how I put it for myself. Growth and learning, it ends up being more meaningful that, that process that you're talking about then, you know, getting the, the thing right. The second secondary, momentary goal that you finally hit after months of work, you always think that that's going to be so exciting and so fulfilling, but it's fleeting, right?
[00:11:32] Speaker B: Oh, yes. Oh, yes, indeed it is. It is oh, so fleeting.
[00:11:36] Speaker A: And, you know, what you do, what you do retain is all of the skills and, you know, the talent and for you, the fitness that you've gained by doing the hard work for months and years leading up to that, it's.
[00:11:50] Speaker B: A pretty cool thing because that all the hard work that you put in, it doesn't leave, you know, it, you know, the hard work, the discipline, the work ethic, you know. Yes, I'm going to continue to be a super fit, you know, strong person as long as I, you know, maintain it. I may, you know, eventually when I decide to, you know, step away from, you know, elite sport, you know, I'll definitely lose, you know, lose some of my, you know, fitness. But the things that don't go away are, you know, that, you know, that learning of patience, that dedication, that hard work, all of those, all of those intangibles, and it's just a matter of then applying, you know, the, the discipline and the, the intangibles you learn from, from sport into, into other areas of life. And, you know, really, I mean, really, triathlon in particular, you know, my sport is very synonymous with life because, you know, there's, there's really no such thing as a, as a perfectly executed triathlon because there, there's always going to be something that trips you up or gives you grief or something.
There's never any smooth sailing. And I think that's very, very true in life as well.
[00:13:11] Speaker A: Yeah, I'm super curious. So you mentioned that you've gone through a ton of different adventure sports and finally landed on the triathlon.
What made you decide on that sport as your go forward sport?
[00:13:26] Speaker B: Oh, boy, that's a story. So I graduated from college in 2013, and I was a very cocky, arrogant 21 year old at the time. You know, I came from a family of entrepreneurs, business people. And so I basically said, well, I'm CEO material, so I'm going to apply for every job that's CEO and above. I quickly figured out that doesn't work in the real world. So I started climbing my way down the corporate ladder and until I finally fell off the bottom rung hit, you know, you know, hit the bottom, you know, hit the floor and started digging a hole. And so eventually, I looked up and I realized that, oh, man, I am a year removed from college. I'm in debt. I'm, you know, I'm 25, 30 pounds heavier than I was when I graduated college, and things are not, not going so good for me. And so I decided that in order to get my mind kind of back on the right track, I needed to first get my, get my body back in shape. And so I decided to start running. And as a totally blind person, the, you know, the ways I could run were, you know, either run on a treadmill, which is not the most fun thing to do, you know, run on a hamster wheel, or I could, you know, find someone to run outside with me. And so I jumped online and did some Google searching. You know, how does a. How does a blind person run? And found a website called United in stride and connected with someone in my area on. He responded, and I went out and did a, kind of faked my way through a run with him. You know, he didn't really know what he was doing. I didn't really know what I was doing. But we kind of figured it out together. And so we started running together on a fairly regular basis. And, you know, eventually he told me that he was a triathlete. And, you know, he basically told me that, you know, running is dumb. You should do triathlon. And I was silly enough to believe him, and he basically peer pressured me into giving triathlon a go. And for some reason, I just. I fell in love with it. I loved this idea of putting a puzzle together. I loved the process of learning to, learning how to swim, you know, efficiently as an adult because, like, I knew how not to drown. But I wouldn't say that I knew how to swim at a, you know, competent or competitive level as a 23, 24, 25 year old, however old I was at that point. And so, you know, and then, you know, I'd always enjoyed, you know, tandem cycling, but I'd never done any, anything at a competitive level. And then I was, you know, figuring out how to. How to run and all that. So I just loved this process of putting, you know, swimming, biking, and running together and figuring it out. And I just, I kept entering races and, you know, just doing triathlons and found this community of people that was, you know, just nuts. So, about triathlon, you know, because it's, there. There's some. It's a crazy. It's a crazy sport. And you gotta. You gotta have some screws loose to really enjoy it and get into it. And I found out that of the 97 screws in my head, about 150 of them were loose. So I fit right in. So I loved the process of just swimming, biking, and running, and trying to get faster, go longer, do all the things. And I wanted to do it all, and I wanted to. I wanted to have it all. So that's really kind of how it happened. And it just so happened that I was able to find my way into being really good at it.
[00:17:20] Speaker A: Yeah, that's incredible. So you actually just got into it, just trying to get into shape. You weren't already at your super high athletic level, you were trying to get back in shape.
[00:17:31] Speaker B: Yeah, no, I was definitely.
I was definitely not in shape when I decided to get into triathlon. Like I said, I was probably about 25, 30 pounds heavier than when I had graduated college. I was as far from in shape as you could be. And I think the first time I ran a five k or something like that, I think I did it in 33 or 35 minutes or something like that.
And then my first ever triathlon, I did an Olympic distance triathlon. So it was a 1500 meters swim, a 40 kilometer bike, and a ten kilometer run. And I think that race took me over three and a half hours to do. And it's crazy to think back on that. I could probably.
If I went back and did that exact same race now, I would probably go under 2 hours for that race. I have very easily gotten twice as fast over the last ten years. And just to see the progress now. I run.
At the Paralympic Games in Paris, I ran just under an 18 minutes five k. That would have been unthinkable for me even five years ago, let alone ten years ago.
[00:19:01] Speaker A: Wow, that is. I mean, that's a huge difference. And I can definitely hear from your story that you pushed your limits, right? You didn't let yourself get slightly better than the 35 minutes five k you went for, like you said, double the seed, essentially.
[00:19:17] Speaker B: Hey, it didn't all come in one big chunk. I mean, it took time, and I was not always patient with that, but I had to learn a patience, and I had to surround myself with the right teachers and the right mentors to teach me that patience and to show me what it really meant to be an elite athlete, a professional athlete. And just like when Eric Weinmayer, back when I had just lost my sight, and he gave me that verbal slap upside the head to not let my blindness be an obstacle you know, I did the same thing when it came to triathlon. I just connected with the right people, was confident enough to reach out to the community and connect with as many people as I could. And I decided to learn and absorb all the knowledge and all the things I could because it's really quite amazing that people love giving advice. And if you listen to it and you follow it, and especially if you follow the advice of the best athletes or the best business people or something like that in the world, well, it's amazing how quickly you can improve and how you find success as well.
[00:20:35] Speaker A: Yeah, I'd love to hear if you have one or two mentors, coaches, people who have made the biggest difference in your life and in your journey, hands.
[00:20:47] Speaker B: Down, you know, first and foremost. I mean, my, my parents have been probably the biggest role models and mentors in my life. They're the ones that never held me back, always challenged me and pushed me to find my limits and to break through and not let my blindness be, be an excuse, but, you know, definitely. And then the guy that got me into triathlon, Mike Melton, you know, he. He and I actually became such good friends. We actually became roommates for a couple of years. We lived and breathed triathlon together for, for a handful of years there together. And then when I started improving and getting fast enough so that Mike couldn't guide me, he introduced me to the right people and pushed and challenged me to keep going with the sport. I went out and found great coaches. And the guy who's been coaching me for the last six years, Derek Williamson, has probably had the biggest impact on my triathlon journey.
And he. Much sooner than I believed in myself, I think when I moved to the Olympic and Paralympic Training center here in Colorado Springs back at the beginning of 2019, Derek, at the time, my personal best five k was just over 22 minutes.
I got on campus and Derek said, I'm going to turn you into a 17 minutes, five k guy before I'm done with you. Lo and beholden, you know, here I am now consistently running in the 17 minutes, five k range, but it took a long time to get there and he absolutely believed in me and pushed me to all new heights. And then I can't not acknowledge just the numerous people that have been my. Been my eyes on the, on the race course and in training as well. You know, guys like Zach Goodman, who's, you know, who I've trained and raced with for, you know, the past six years, you know, he and I have, you know, done over 20 races together and, you know, stood on a lot of podiums together. Guys like, you know, Andy Potts, who guided me at the 2020 Paralympic Games, and Marty Andre, who is, you know, trained and raced with me as well, and who guided me at the. The 2024 Paralympic Games.
I could go on and on and on because this has really been a team effort. And my success, the success that I've had in sport and life has largely been because I've just kept stepping on the shoulders of taller and taller giants. I think Isaac Newton, Washington. It was very right, or I think it was Isaac Newton or Albert Einstein or some scientists way back in the day say I've seen further because I've stood on the shoulders of giants. And that's so true when it comes to my success and my journey.
[00:23:49] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I love that. So what have been some of the highlights of your journey? What have been some of the biggest high points?
[00:23:57] Speaker B: Man, I'm trying to. Trying to pick out some, but at least in.
I'll actually rewind a little bit.
I'll back up before triathlon, a couple of really big high points. Before I got into the sport of triathlon, where we're doing a version of the inca trail when I was just 14, that was my first really big, major national kind of adventure. And then the very next year when I was 15, I joined up with a group of teenagers, you know, high school and college age kids, and we climbed in summit of Mount Kilimanjaro and then fast forwarding into my triathlon career. My first Ironman back in 2016.
It was a slow grind of a day, but just the feeling of crossing the finish line after nearly 16 hours of swimming, biking and running, it was something special and unique. But then also fast forwarding to 2018 when I actually, you know, lowered my Ironman time from almost 16 hours down to just under 11 hours. That was. That was really cool and special because at the time, and I was the. The first totally blind person to go under 11 hours for an Iron man triathlon. And, you know, just that feeling of accomplishment, knowing that I had put in the work over a two or three year span to get to that level. And then, you know, the highlights, you know, over the last, you know, six years of, you know, racing at the. At the paralympic level. Oh, my God. I mean, just every time I've stood on a podium or every time I have, you know, raced shoulder to shoulder, you know, against competitors and athletes, those are really special. But it's also witnessing my teammates accomplish their goals. Watching teammates, I had two teammates come to mind, highlights from just this past Paralympic Games in Paris. One of my good friends and teammates, Hailey Dans, she had won a silver medal at the 2016 and 2020 Paralympic Games in triathlon, and she finally broke through this year and stood on top of the podium in Paris. And she had just put in so much work over the last few years, and she has been just the best in the world in paratiathlon. And so seeing her finally stand on top of that podium was so incredible.
Then also my friend and teammate, Mohammed Lana, who immigrated from Morocco to the US and became a us citizen in 2017 and was able to climb his way onto the podium in Paris and get a silver medal as a us citizen. Stories like that and just being able to see my friends and teammates accomplish their dreams and goals, those are bigger highlights to me than any podium or win or anything that I've been able to accomplish.
[00:27:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I find it so fulfilling when you're able to feel like you're a part, even a very small part, in helping someone else be successful. Especially. I mean, in your case, right. You mentioned that these are people that you've known for six plus years, people that you've had, you know, trained with and worked with day in and day out.
[00:27:46] Speaker B: Yeah. No, it's you, definitely. When you spend as much time together as we do training and, you know, traveling and all that, you. You get to know each other really, really well, and you get to see some really high highs, but you also get to see some pretty. Pretty low lows. And, you know, we have definitely all, you know, cried together. We have definitely all suffered together through training sessions and through frustrations and all kinds of things. So it's, you know, and, you know, we. We here at the training center have just such a cool and unique team.
You know, selfishness is not. Is not, you know, is not accepted and not tolerated on our team. We actually. We say that we have four team values, and, you know, they're kind of tongue in cheek. I.
Because so quick, you know, quick little context to this. One day, you know, we. We walked onto the pool deck, and there was. There was a whiteboard set up, and I think the. The Paris swimming team had, like, written up this list of. I was, like, 20 or 30 values that, you know, they. They had, you know, for their team. And, you know, one of my. One of my teammates, I can't remember it was Haley or Howie or someone looked at it and was like, TLDr. And so, too long, didn't read. And so we were like, hey, what. What if we. What if we boiled down our team values to represent TLDR and so, you know, our team values are tough love, live, laugh, love. Don't be a. Yeah, don't be a dick. And, you know, really try hard. You know, just really try hard not to suck. So those are our team values, you know, because, you know, tough love. Yeah, we, you know, we give each other a hard time. We don't pull punches with each other, but at the same time, you have to be able to laugh at yourself. You have to be able to, you know, live life to the fullest extent and, you know, laugh about it. And then, you know, like I. Like I said earlier, that that selfishness part doesn't. Doesn't fly on our team. So that's. That's where don't be a dick came into existence, because we just don't tolerate that. And then I, you know, then the really try hard not to suck peace was, look, as long as you're giving it everything you got and you're not, you know, you're not, you're not, you know, shirking your responsibilities and you're, you know, not, you know, you're here, and as long as you're here for the right reasons, we will accept you. You don't have to be the fastest, you don't have to be the best, but you've got to try, and you've got to give it your all. And so. And we. We live up to those values, and so that's kind of how. That's the essence of our team.
[00:30:34] Speaker A: Yeah, I love that story, and it sounds like a phenomenal team.
You mentioned some of the lowest lows. You know, I'd love to hear about what some of your biggest struggles have been throughout the years and how you've gotten through them.
[00:30:50] Speaker B: Oh, boy.
The lows can happen. They happen a lot of. So, you know, one. You know, one low that I can. I can think of, you know, in particular. So I. So I actually. So, I wrestled, you know, in college. I was a wrestler in high school, and I wrestled a little bit in college. And so at the end of my college wrestling career, I got slammed on my shoulder, and, well, turns out that I injured my shoulder pretty badly, but decided not to get it fixed. After several years of triathlon training, my, uh, my shoulder was just really in a bad. In a bad spot. Um, I was in chronic pain for. For several years, and at the, you know, at the, you know, kind of halfway through 2022, I was on a roll. But, you know, that it just got to a point where it was just unbearable and I could hardly lift my arm, you know, up over my head. And so at the beginning of 2023, I went under for surgery and missed about half the year of the, of the triathlon season because I was, I was rehabbing, you know, injury and, you know, I wasn't able to, you know, wasn't able to, you know, take part in a lot of training sessions and all that. And it's hard when, you know, when you're, when you're in that spot to, you know, to stay motivated and to, you know, to, you know, it's, it's hard, you know, you. I went to a pretty tough, pretty tough dark place, but, you know, was able to, you know, again, had a, had a superb team around me that, you know, my teammates were always, always there to, you know, cheer me up or, you know, smack me around to, you know, make sure that I stayed on top of my physical therapy and everything. And, you know, it ultimately worked out. You know, I have a super healthy shoulder now and, you know, swimming, biking and running faster than I ever have in the past. But, you know, also, you know, I've seen some low lows of my other teammates. I had a, I had a teammate in 2021, he missed out on going to the Tokyo Paralympic Games. Bye. By seconds. Really, they took the top ten guys in the world. He was ranked 11th.
To see the years that he had put in was really hard to see him then miss it. But then he took that and channeled it into the next three years and he made it to Paris and he had a solid race in Paris, but then also seeing miss out on the podium in Tokyo by just a few seconds, I think less than 10 seconds, he missed the podium and he considered retiring because he had come forth.
I think that was his second or third time coming fourth at the Paralympic games in various sports. But then, but then he came back and won a gold medal in 2024 in Paris. So just seeing those lows and then seeing how my teammates then took that adversity or that pain and turned it into triumph, it's always been a lesson for me. But, you know, another, you know, probably the. Probably one of the lowest lows, though, for, for me personally, was, you know, at this past Paralympics just a couple of, you know, a couple of weeks ago at the time of this recording, my guide, who I've, you know, trained and raced with for six years, got really, really sick the, the day before our race, and he actually was so sick that he was not able to race and so we had to go to my backup guide and just to see the work that Zach had put in over the last six years in particular, the last two or three years that we put in together. I mean, it tore me up inside. But Zach was able to drag himself out to the racecourse, at least to cheer everybody on. Even though he was not doing so good, he suffered through to make sure that he was out there cheering all of us on. So that was a gut wrenching thing to see my teammate, who has swam, biked, and ran with me so much over so many years, not get to showcase his talent and his know, his performance there right alongside me. So that was, you know, for me, that's. That was, uh, that was probably the lowest point over the last handful of years in particular. But again, look, just, you know, looking at, you know, the resilience of my teammates looking at, you know, Zach's resilience, you know, and the, the attitude that, you know, it's, you gotta, you gotta maintain as positive an attitude and, you know, look forward to the future, learn from the past. And so it's still, it's still. Still processing that part at least, you know, but, yeah, things will, things will be. Things will be okay in the, in the long run.
[00:36:27] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's been quite inspiring to get to chat with you and hear about your journey and the highs and lows and the learnings and the, you know, joys and struggles. I'd love to ask you one last question, which is, if you could go back and give your younger self any piece of advice, what would it be?
[00:36:50] Speaker B: And I think we'll take it back to kind of what I, what I said earlier, and that was, keep it stupid simple. Do simple well, do simple better. Don't over complicate it as a kid. Have fun. Have fun. Live an adventurous life, and, and don't lose that. Sometimes as adults, we can get too serious, and so if we can embrace, you know, the joy of life, just keep it stupid simple, do simple well, do simple better. And that. And thats not just for athletic performance. Thats for, you know, finding pleasure in the little things in life as well.
[00:37:25] Speaker A: Absolutely. I love that its clearly served you, and I think thats the perfect way to cap off our interview. Thank you so much, Kyle. It's been an absolute pleasure talking with you today.
[00:37:36] Speaker B: Awesome. Well, thank you, Jordan. I really appreciate the opportunity to come on and have a nice little chat.
